"Specifically, 85% of Democrats, 81% of Independents, and 76% of
Republicans opposed it. "
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1137
Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision
Much has been made of late about the hyper-partisan political
environment in America. On Tuesday, Sen. Evan Bayh explained his
surprising recent decision to leave the Senate by lamenting a
"dysfunctional" political system riddled with "brain-dead
partisanship." It seems you’d be hard-pressed to get Republicans and
Democrats inside and outside of Washington to agree on anything these
days, that if one party publicly stated its intention to add a
"puppies are adorable" declaration to its platform, that the other
party would immediately launch a series of anti-puppy advertisements.
But it appears that one issue does unite Americans across the
political spectrum.
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that the vast majority of
Americans are vehemently opposed to a recent Supreme Court ruling that
opens the door for corporations, labor unions, and other organizations
to spend money directly from their general funds to influence
campaigns.
As noted by the Post’s Dan Eggen, the poll’s findings show "remarkably
strong agreement" across the board, with roughly 80% of Americans
saying that they’re against the Court’s 5-4 decision. Even more
remarkable may be that opposition by Republicans, Democrats, and
Independents were all near the same 80% opposition range.
Specifically, 85% of Democrats, 81% of Independents, and 76% of
Republicans opposed it. In short, "everyone hates" the ruling.
The poll’s findings could enhance the possibility of getting a broad
range of support behind a movement in Congress to pass legislation
that would offset the Court’s decision. Of those polled, 72% said they
supported congressional action to reverse its effects. Sen. Charles
Schumer, who’s leading the reform effort in the Senate, told the Post
that he hoped to get "strong and quick bi-partisan support" behind a
bill that "passes constitutional muster but will still effectively
limit the influence of special interests."
The findings of the poll are a bit surprising considering the fact
that the case split the Supreme Court, with the five conservative
justices in favor and the four more liberal justices against it. The
decision was almost universally hailed by Republicans in Washington,
who saw it as a victory for the free speech provided for under the
Constitution, while President Obama and prominent Democrats in
Washington almost universally derided it as a dark day for American
democracy.
However, Sen. John McCain, one of the original sponsors of the
campaign finance law struck down by Court’s decision and one of its
few prominent Republican opponents, may have been prophetic when he
predicted Americans would turn against the Court. McCain told CBS’s
"Face the Nation" that there would be a "backlash" once awareness grew
about "the amounts of union and corporate money that’s going to go
into political campaigns."
Perhaps the new poll numbers show that McCain might have been onto
something.
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:51:22 -0800, edspyhill01 wrote:
> "Specifically, 85% of Democrats, 81% of Independents, and 76% of
> Republicans opposed it. "
I don’t.
The Networks "pay" for their candidate unfettered. The media circus
surrounding Obungler two years ago and up until the election was
stupefying. Cokehead Roberts should have donned a cheerleader’s outfit,Tom
Brokaw who had replaced Tim Russert would not say a word against him
(until after he was elected, and then just once), and Merideth Viara might
have well just blown him on national TV. CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC,
et al filled the public up with "Rah Rah Obama!" for over a year and
basically got him elected.
If they can do it for *free*, why shouldn’t other companies back their
candidate of choice?
Oh, yeah, and not only that, the neworks killed any chance of a true
leader and bipartisan candidate in McCain from getting elected.
And Obama’s FCC "czar" wants to kill talk radio. Does that mean Rhandi
Rhodes has to go, too? Maybe there is a silver lining behind all this
after all.
edspyhill01, 2/17/2010,10:51:22 PM, wrote:
> A new Washington Post-ABC News poll
That’s the reason for your poll numbers.
On 2/17/2010 10:00 PM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
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> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:51:22 -0800, edspyhill01 wrote:
>> "Specifically, 85% of Democrats, 81% of Independents, and 76% of
>> Republicans opposed it. "
> I don’t.
> The Networks "pay" for their candidate unfettered. The media circus
> surrounding Obungler two years ago and up until the election was
> stupefying. Cokehead Roberts should have donned a cheerleader’s outfit,Tom
> Brokaw who had replaced Tim Russert would not say a word against him
> (until after he was elected, and then just once), and Merideth Viara might
> have well just blown him on national TV. CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC,
> et al filled the public up with "Rah Rah Obama!" for over a year and
> basically got him elected.
> If they can do it for *free*, why shouldn’t other companies back their
> candidate of choice?
> Oh, yeah, and not only that, the neworks killed any chance of a true
> leader and bipartisan candidate in McCain from getting elected.
> And Obama’s FCC "czar" wants to kill talk radio. Does that mean Rhandi
> Rhodes has to go, too? Maybe there is a silver lining behind all this
> after all.
Apologizing in advance for a "me too" post, Hachiroku nailed this one.
Remember the sketch on Saturday Night Live?
URL:http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=52284
Eddie
So what, the majority is apposed to killing babies as well. Seem to me the
only way to overturn the Courts ruling would be to amend the first amendment
and take away the right of the people to petition the government for redress
of grievances, and that is not going to happen.
It would be easier to pass a law that says Corporations are NO longer
"people," who can be sued. That is not likely to happen either, because
the shark lawyers could no longer sue the Corporations. ;)
"edspyhill01" <edspyhil…@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Specifically, 85% of Democrats, 81% of Independents, and 76% of
> Republicans opposed it. "
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1137
> Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:09:18 -0800, Conscience wrote:
> On 2010-02-17 20:00:40 -0800, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru…@e86.GTS>
> said:
>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:51:22 -0800, edspyhill01 wrote:
>>> "Specifically, 85% of Democrats, 81% of Independents, and 76% of
>>> Republicans opposed it. "
>> I don’t.
> Nor do I. A good percentage will change their minds when they actually
> bother to read it, rather than have it spoon-fed by some scum-sucking
> moron like Olbermann.
Who is off the air tonight! Thank God for the Olympics!!!
"Hachiroku ????" <Tru…@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:09:18 -0800, Conscience wrote:
>> On 2010-02-17 20:00:40 -0800, Hachiroku ???? <Tru…@e86.GTS>
>> said:
>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:51:22 -0800, edspyhill01 wrote:
>>>> "Specifically, 85% of Democrats, 81% of Independents, and 76% of
>>>> Republicans opposed it. "
>>> I don’t.
>> Nor do I. A good percentage will change their minds when they actually
>> bother to read it, rather than have it spoon-fed by some scum-sucking
>> moron like Olbermann.
> Who is off the air tonight! Thank God for the Olympics!!!
More evidence of the accuracy of your comments? LMAO–Keith looks well right
on his 8 o’clock time slot
On 2/18/2010 7:15 PM, Conscience wrote:
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> On 2010-02-18 16:09:44 -0800, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru…@e86.GTS> said:
>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:09:18 -0800, Conscience wrote:
>>> On 2010-02-17 20:00:40 -0800, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru…@e86.GTS>
>>> said:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:51:22 -0800, edspyhill01 wrote:
>>>>> "Specifically, 85% of Democrats, 81% of Independents, and 76% of
>>>>> Republicans opposed it. "
>>>> I don’t.
>>> Nor do I. A good percentage will change their minds when they actually
>>> bother to read it, rather than have it spoon-fed by some scum-sucking
>>> moron like Olbermann.
>> Who is off the air tonight! Thank God for the Olympics!!!
> Seriously. Can anyone come up with a better example than him for
> involuntary euthanasia?
> Think about it. Every day, thousands of babies are aborted while this
> filth still sucks air.
Seriously, people like you could help this situation by not *ucking the
mothers.
"Conscience" <nobama@g v.com> wrote in message
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> On 2010-02-18 16:09:44 -0800, Hachiroku ???? <Tru…@e86.GTS> said:
>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:09:18 -0800, Conscience wrote:
>>> On 2010-02-17 20:00:40 -0800, Hachiroku ???? <Tru…@e86.GTS>
>>> said:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:51:22 -0800, edspyhill01 wrote:
>>>>> "Specifically, 85% of Democrats, 81% of Independents, and 76% of
>>>>> Republicans opposed it. "
>>>> I don’t.
>>> Nor do I. A good percentage will change their minds when they actually
>>> bother to read it, rather than have it spoon-fed by some scum-sucking
>>> moron like Olbermann.
>> Who is off the air tonight! Thank God for the Olympics!!!
> Seriously. Can anyone come up with a better example than him for
> involuntary euthanasia?
> Think about it. Every day, thousands of babies are aborted while this
> filth still sucks air.
Seriously, I shudder when I think Mr Kanter has replicated himself. That
means we have another generation of idiots up and coming. To think some
woman actually let him near her. She must have been either very drunk or
slipped a mickey. At least she had the good sense to divorce him later. I
still can’t understand how he got to be a college professor with an IQ of
50.
Charles Grozny
Veered sharply at highway speeds? Must be junk design.
"Many of the complaints report that vehicles unexpectedly veered
sharply at highway speeds of 40 miles per hour and above. At least 10
injuries have been alleged."
From The Detroit News:
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100217/AUTO01/2170373/1148/NHTSA...
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:30:34 -0800, john wrote:
> Many owners have posted about steering problems here, and guess what?
> There is a problem and Corolla may be recalled!
The only problems with the Corolla’s steering is the nut behind the wheel…
Moron.
On 02/17/2010 07:30 PM, john wrote:
> Many owners have posted about steering problems here, and guess what?
> There is a problem and Corolla may be recalled!
"may be"??? some owners are doubtless reporting indigestion at all the
crap union shills like you are trying to jam down their throats. but
only gullible fools will listen to mere allegation without proof.
> "Some Corolla drivers in the U.S. have reported experiencing a loss of
> steering control, typically occurring at higher speeds.
how about some media and paid usenet shillsters experiencing a loss of
credibility and integrity?
> Sasaki says Toyota has received less than 100 complaints about
> steering issues in the Corolla. At the same Japanese press conference
> where Sasaki spoke, TMC President Akio Toyoda said he does not plan to
> visit to the U.S. next week to appear at two U.S. government hearings.
you say that like it’s some kind of negative thing. i wouldn’t
voluntary show up in front of a tar and feather crown either.
especially when all they have to go on is hysteria and herd instinct.
> I trust that our officials in the U.S. will amply answer the
> questions, Toyoda is quoted as saying.
i’m sure they will. answers will be technically correct.
> We are sending the best
> people to the hearing, and I hope to back up the efforts from
> headquarters.
> Yoshimi Inaba, Toyota Motor North America president, will appear at a
> Feb. 24 hearing of the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform
> Committee, and a Feb. 25 House Energy and Commerce Committee hearing.
> Toyoda says he will travel to the U.S. at a later date.
so what? he’s not been invited or requested to show at any hearings.
> http://wardsauto.com/home/toyota_traffic_corolla_100217/
keep cranking that propaganda handle buddy – if you keep repeating the
bullshit, someone is bound to believe you.
–
nomina rutrum rutrum
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:01:57 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Tru…@e86.GTS>
wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:30:34 -0800, john wrote:
>> Many owners have posted about steering problems here, and guess what?
>> There is a problem and Corolla may be recalled!
>The only problems with the Corolla’s steering is the nut behind the wheel…
>Moron.
Yes, I’m sure that’s the case.
john <johngd…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:53abe15c-ca24-451e-92cb-
924747baf…@l12g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
> Many owners have posted about steering problems here, and guess what?
> There is a problem and Corolla may be recalled!
> "Some Corolla drivers in the U.S. have reported experiencing a loss of
> steering control, typically occurring at higher speeds.
The witch-hunt continues…
There’s no problem with the steering other than a "feel" that people aren’t
used to.
Odd how nobody complained about the EPS that was available on the MR2 for
years; the new Corolla’s system is similar to that.
–
Tegger
On Feb 17, 10:01 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru…@e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:30:34 -0800, john wrote:
> > Many owners have posted about steering problems here, and guess what?
> > There is a problem and Corolla may be recalled!
> The only problems with the Corolla’s steering is the nut behind the wheel…
> Moron.
Right , defend toyota at all costs eveybody is a dumb ass but you and
toyota. You know even here on this group people asked questions on
their corrola steering maybe a year ago long before anything was even
though of as a defect. Just keep you head in the mud hachi and stay in
denial.
john <johngd…@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Veered sharply at highway speeds? Must be junk design.
Or an unsubstantiated allegation, which most of these "complaints" are at
this point.
You’re aware that some half of all collisions are single-vehicle crashes? A
single-vehicle crash is an embarrassing thing to be involved in; it’s an
embarrassment leading to the possibility of owners blaming their bad
driving on the car.
> "Many of the complaints report that vehicles unexpectedly veered
> sharply at highway speeds of 40 miles per hour and above. At least 10
> injuries have been alleged."
"Alleged". Good word. And they remain "alleged" until proven otherwise. One
can "allege" anything he likes.
If EPS is so bad, how come there were no problems with the MR2′s similar
EPS?
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Tegger
Tegger wrote:
> john <johngd…@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:13e57575-ca27-4b87-b2a5-d7aff4b207f9@s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>> Veered sharply at highway speeds? Must be junk design.
> Or an unsubstantiated allegation, which most of these "complaints" are at
> this point.
That’s true of the brake problems. Apparently, Toyota and the NHTSA
failed to address the reports and take appropriate action, leading to a
big mess.
> You’re aware that some half of all collisions are single-vehicle crashes? A
> single-vehicle crash is an embarrassing thing to be involved in; it’s an
> embarrassment leading to the possibility of owners blaming their bad
> driving on the car.
IINM, some of the reports were from people whose cars did not crash.
As computers control more of a car’s function, I hope the computers will
keep better data, so that when there is a problem, engineers can upload
the data and determine what really happened.
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>> "Many of the complaints report that vehicles unexpectedly veered
>> sharply at highway speeds of 40 miles per hour and above. At least 10
>> injuries have been alleged."
> "Alleged". Good word. And they remain "alleged" until proven otherwise. One
> can "allege" anything he likes.
> If EPS is so bad, how come there were no problems with the MR2′s similar
> EPS?
dr_jeff <u…@msu.edu> wrote in
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> Tegger wrote:
>> john <johngd…@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:13e57575-ca27-4b87-b2a5-d7aff4b207f9@s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com
>> :
>>> Veered sharply at highway speeds? Must be junk design.
>> Or an unsubstantiated allegation, which most of these "complaints"
>> are at this point.
> That’s true of the brake problems.
It’s also true of the new PS thing. The NHTSA has said so.
> Apparently, Toyota and the NHTSA
> failed to address the reports and take appropriate action, leading to
> a big mess.
The "big mess" is in the media alone. So far, ONE death confirmed as being
specifically due to a stuck gas pedal.
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Tegger wrote:
> dr_jeff <u…@msu.edu> wrote in
> news:dLCdnXPoScvi2-DWnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>> Tegger wrote:
>>> john <johngd…@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:13e57575-ca27-4b87-b2a5-d7aff4b207f9@s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com
>>> :
>>>> Veered sharply at highway speeds? Must be junk design.
>>> Or an unsubstantiated allegation, which most of these "complaints"
>>> are at this point.
>> That’s true of the brake problems.
> It’s also true of the new PS thing. The NHTSA has said so.
>> Apparently, Toyota and the NHTSA
>> failed to address the reports and take appropriate action, leading to
>> a big mess.
> The "big mess" is in the media alone. So far, ONE death confirmed as being
> specifically due to a stuck gas pedal.
How do you confirm that a death is due to a stuck gas pedal? Do you have
to call in to 9-1-1 and say that you’re going to die from a stuck gas
pedal? A stuck gas pedal is a really hard thing to confirm.
dr_jeff <u…@msu.edu> wrote in
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> Tegger wrote:
>> The "big mess" is in the media alone. So far, ONE death confirmed as
>> being specifically due to a stuck gas pedal.
> How do you confirm that a death is due to a stuck gas pedal? Do you
> have to call in to 9-1-1 and say that you’re going to die from a stuck
> gas pedal? A stuck gas pedal is a really hard thing to confirm.
OK, then we have NO deaths confirmed as being due to a stuck gas pedal.
What a witch-hunt.
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Tegger
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> dr_jeff<u…@msu.edu> wrote in
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>> Tegger wrote:
>>> The "big mess" is in the media alone. So far, ONE death confirmed as
>>> being specifically due to a stuck gas pedal.
>> How do you confirm that a death is due to a stuck gas pedal? Do you
>> have to call in to 9-1-1 and say that you’re going to die from a stuck
>> gas pedal? A stuck gas pedal is a really hard thing to confirm.
> OK, then we have NO deaths confirmed as being due to a stuck gas pedal.
> What a witch-hunt.
you should be able to recover the last 30 seconds of data from the
engine computer – that should tell you speed, throttle position, etc.
and whether throttle position stayed fixed. but even that doesn’t
confirm with certainty – maybe the guy was having a heart attack and had
his foot pressed down in pain.
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Will he be riding in an Audi again?
"john" <johngd…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Many owners have posted about steering problems here, and guess what?
There is a problem and Corolla may be recalled!
"Some Corolla drivers in the U.S. have reported experiencing a loss of
steering control, typically occurring at higher speeds.
Sasaki says Toyota has received less than 100 complaints about
steering issues in the Corolla. At the same Japanese press conference
where Sasaki spoke, TMC President Akio Toyoda said he does not plan to
visit to the U.S. next week to appear at two U.S. government hearings.
I trust that our officials in the U.S. will amply answer the
questions, Toyoda is quoted as saying. We are sending the best
people to the hearing, and I hope to back up the efforts from
headquarters.
Yoshimi Inaba, Toyota Motor North America president, will appear at a
Feb. 24 hearing of the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform
Committee, and a Feb. 25 House Energy and Commerce Committee hearing.
Toyoda says he will travel to the U.S. at a later date.
http://wardsauto.com/home/toyota_traffic_corolla_100217/
(Cross posting deleted, automatically)
Our friend dr_jeff is an expert at doing that
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> Tegger wrote:
>> john <johngd…@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:13e57575-ca27-4b87-b2a5-d7aff4b207f9@s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>>> Veered sharply at highway speeds? Must be junk design.
>> Or an unsubstantiated allegation, which most of these "complaints" are at
>> this point.
> That’s true of the brake problems. Apparently, Toyota and the NHTSA failed
> to address the reports and take appropriate action, leading to a big mess.
>> You’re aware that some half of all collisions are single-vehicle crashes?
>> A single-vehicle crash is an embarrassing thing to be involved in; it’s
>> an embarrassment leading to the possibility of owners blaming their bad
>> driving on the car.
> IINM, some of the reports were from people whose cars did not crash.
> As computers control more of a car’s function, I hope the computers will
> keep better data, so that when there is a problem, engineers can upload
> the data and determine what really happened.
>>> "Many of the complaints report that vehicles unexpectedly veered
>>> sharply at highway speeds of 40 miles per hour and above. At least 10
>>> injuries have been alleged."
>> "Alleged". Good word. And they remain "alleged" until proven otherwise.
>> One can "allege" anything he likes.
>> If EPS is so bad, how come there were no problems with the MR2′s similar
>> EPS?
(Cross posting deleted, automatically)
> OK, then we have NO deaths confirmed as being due to a stuck gas pedal.
> What a witch-hunt????
> —
> Tegger
Can we assume you have not seen the news lately, if that is what you choose
to believe.
Search "Toyota Class Action Litigation" and you will find numerous listings
like this:
Law firms form consortium in Toyota recall litigation
Posted On: Feb. 11, 2010 2:24 PM CENTRAL | Add a comment
Roberto Ceniceros
SAN DIEGO About 25 law firms seeking class action status for lawsuits filed
against Toyota Motor Corp. in more than 20 states have formed a consortium,
an attorney coordinating the group said Thursday.
"Approximately 20 other lawsuits seeking class action status on behalf of
consumers also have been filed against the automaker because of accelerator
problems that have led to the recall of more than 8 million automobiles.
Those 40 suits do not include individual personal injury claims that
consumers have filed against Toyota.
Tim Howard, coordinator of the Attorneys Toyota Action Consortium, said a
court hearing on whether all the class action cases will be consolidated is
expected March 25 before a multidistrict panel in U.S. District Court in San
Diego.
Mr. Howard is a professor of law and policy at Northeastern University and
an attorney at Howard Associates P.A. in Tallahassee, Fla.
The lawsuits seeking class action status share common allegations that
consumers lost value in and the use of their cars because of defective parts
that sparked the recall.
Total damages sought in the consolidated class actions could exceed $2
billion, based on a calculation that millions of cars lost hundreds of
dollars in value and their owners lost the use of their cars while they were
unsafe to drive or were being repaired, Mr. Howard said.
The value is diminished because once someone knows your car might be a
poltergeist car, people don t have to take that kind of risk, Mr. Howard
said. They can find other cars on the market. Even if they solve (the
problems), that lingering fear is going to affect the consciousness of the
consumer.
Toyota also is facing securities-related class action litigation.
For example, the San Diego-based law firm of Coughlin Stoia Geller Rudman &
Robbins L.L.P. said Monday that it had filed a lawsuit in the U.S. District
Court for the Central District of California on behalf of people who
purchased Toyota securities between Aug. 4, 2009, and Feb. 2, 2010.
The complaint alleges that Toyota and some of its officers and directors
misled investors by failing to disclose design defects, causing its stock to
trade at artificially inflated prices during the class period.
"Tegger" <inva…@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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> dr_jeff <u…@msu.edu> wrote in
> news:Q6ydnUuaVefv1eDWnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>> Tegger wrote:
>>> The "big mess" is in the media alone. So far, ONE death confirmed as
>>> being specifically due to a stuck gas pedal.
>> How do you confirm that a death is due to a stuck gas pedal? Do you
>> have to call in to 9-1-1 and say that you’re going to die from a stuck
>> gas pedal? A stuck gas pedal is a really hard thing to confirm.
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:33:28 -0800, ransley wrote:
> On Feb 17, 10:01 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru…@e86.GTS> wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:30:34 -0800, john wrote:
>> > Many owners have posted about steering problems here, and guess what?
>> > There is a problem and Corolla may be recalled!
>> The only problems with the Corolla’s steering is the nut behind the
>> wheel…
>> Moron.
> Right , defend toyota at all costs eveybody is a dumb ass but you and
> toyota. You know even here on this group people asked questions on their
> corrola steering maybe a year ago long before anything was even though of
> as a defect. Just keep you head in the mud hachi and stay in denial.
Who says it’s a defect?
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:27:47 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:01:57 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Tru…@e86.GTS> wrote:
>>On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:30:34 -0800, john wrote:
>>> Many owners have posted about steering problems here, and guess what?
>>> There is a problem and Corolla may be recalled!
>>The only problems with the Corolla’s steering is the nut behind the
>>wheel…
>>Moron.
> Yes, I’m sure that’s the case.
Ever driven a car with electrically enhanced steering?
My bet is for one it’s the first Corolla the complainers have ever owned,
which takes some getting used to all by itself if you’ve never owned a
Corolla, and the electrically assisted PS, that is a different aniimal all
of it’s own.
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On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:02:26 -0500, dr_jeff wrote:
> Tegger wrote:
>> dr_jeff <u…@msu.edu> wrote in
>> news:dLCdnXPoScvi2-DWnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>> john <johngd…@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:13e57575-ca27-4b87-b2a5-d7aff4b207f9@s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com
>>>> :
>>>> :
>>>>> Veered sharply at highway speeds? Must be junk design.
>>>> Or an unsubstantiated allegation, which most of these "complaints" are
>>>> at this point.
>>> That’s true of the brake problems.
>> It’s also true of the new PS thing. The NHTSA has said so.
>>> Apparently, Toyota and the NHTSA
>>> failed to address the reports and take appropriate action, leading to a
>>> big mess.
>> The "big mess" is in the media alone. So far, ONE death confirmed as
>> being specifically due to a stuck gas pedal.
> How do you confirm that a death is due to a stuck gas pedal? Do you have
> to call in to 9-1-1 and say that you’re going to die from a stuck gas
> pedal? A stuck gas pedal is a really hard thing to confirm.
Not really. The ECU stores throttle position information and engine revs
for something like three cycles. It would be very easy to determine which
deaths were caused by a fault in the system and which were just poor
driving habits.
Nobody has really presented any hard evidence. When someone does I might
change my stance on Toyota’s Mea Culpa.
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:34:57 -0800, jim beam wrote:
>> OK, then we have NO deaths confirmed as being due to a stuck gas pedal.
>> What a witch-hunt.
> you should be able to recover the last 30 seconds of data from the engine
> computer – that should tell you speed, throttle position, etc. and whether
> throttle position stayed fixed.
Thank you. There are some thinking people here…
(God, Jim, ever think I’d be patting you on the back? ;) )
n…@wt.net wrote in
news:8830dec9-b969-4360-947d-73506a456668@q21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> Myself, I think most of the
> problem is there is likely too much assist at highway speeds, and
> it needs to be toned down a bit.
There is NO assist at highway speeds. Assist is NOT NEEDED at highway
speeds. Assist picks up at speeds where you might actually have to crank
the wheel around with some authority, like at 10mph around a left-hand
turn, or when maneuvering into a parking space.
This whole matter is ludicrously insane, a bizarre Alice-In-Wonderland
nut-fest; powered, I suspect, by the tort bar, and by the unions (who hate
Toyota with the sort of red-haze death-lust that Ted Bundy must have felt
for his victims).
ANYbody who knows the SLIGHTEST thing about ANY modern power-assisted
steering system cannot help but be appalled by the mystical "evil spirits"
nonsense surrounding this current craze. I am not quite certain WHY this is
happening, but I AM quite certain that it is /wholly/ without foundation.
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Tegger