I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get 30
MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
03
Sep
OT 55 MPH Speed Limit A solution?
"Moe" <BubbleleL…@Fat.City> wrote in message
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> I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get 30
> MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
I’d rather see a president say "Do the math, people. For a 1/2 hour trip, do
you really need to get there a minute sooner? Try keeping it under 2000 RPMs
for a few weeks & see if your wallet likes the results. But don’t do this
coming off a red light if it means jamming up 8 cars behind you who can’t
get through the light. Use your heads and your rear view mirrors."
We’ll have to wait for a real president, I guess.
"Scott in Florida" <Mov…@outa.here> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:09:29 -0500, Moe <BubbleleL…@Fat.City> wrote:
>>I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get 30
>>MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
> How about just multi;lying the speeding fines by two or four and
> enforcing the ones we have now.
> —
> Scott in Florida
Most Toyotas get better mileage at 62 than 55. Sorry that someone else is
stuck with American shitcrap that can’t get it up. . . .
Charles the Curmudgeon
On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:09:29 -0500, Moe wrote:
> I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get 30
> MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:28:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Moe" <BubbleleL…@Fat.City> wrote in message
> news:486e04bc$0$4029$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net…
>> I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get 30
>> MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
> I’d rather see a president say "Do the math, people. For a 1/2 hour
> trip, do you really need to get there a minute sooner? Try keeping it
> under 2000 RPMs for a few weeks & see if your wallet likes the results.
My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:50:25 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:09:29 -0500, Moe <BubbleleL…@Fat.City> wrote:
>>I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get 30
>>MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
> How about just multi;lying the speeding fines by two or four and
> enforcing the ones we have now.
My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
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On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:59:20 -0500, CharlesTheCurmudgeon wrote:
> "Scott in Florida" <Mov…@outa.here> wrote in message
> news:g4es64p69l5hd3ru2ar54e43elpp2lsrh4@4ax.com…
>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:09:29 -0500, Moe <BubbleleL…@Fat.City> wrote:
>>>I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get 30
>>>MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
>> How about just multi;lying the speeding fines by two or four and
>> enforcing the ones we have now.
>> —
>> Scott in Florida
> Most Toyotas get better mileage at 62 than 55. Sorry that someone else
> is stuck with American shitcrap that can’t get it up. . . .
> Charles the Curmudgeon
My Japanese cars all get their best economy at 70MPH.
"Hachiroku ????" <Tru…@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:28:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Moe" <BubbleleL…@Fat.City> wrote in message
>> news:486e04bc$0$4029$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net…
>>> I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get 30
>>> MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
>> I’d rather see a president say "Do the math, people. For a 1/2 hour
>> trip, do you really need to get there a minute sooner? Try keeping it
>> under 2000 RPMs for a few weeks & see if your wallet likes the results.
> My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
All cars are the same, so it’s pointless to experiment. Forget I mentioned
it.
"Hachiroku ????" <Tru…@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:09:29 -0500, Moe wrote:
>> I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get 30
>> MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
> My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
Hey, Hachi, you have Japanese cars? At what speed do they get their best
fuel economy?????????????????
"Moe" <BubbleleL…@Fat.City> wrote in message
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> I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get 30
> MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
Yes, & instead of a lower speed limit (55 drives me nuts on a good 4-lane
road, esp. when going on out-of-town trips; 55 on the Thruway was
ridculous), make the better mpg mandates for the auto manufacturers *stick*,
instead of forever getting watered back down.
Cathy
Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
No, they don’t. Like all cars, they’ll probably do best at the
slowest RPM you can get by with in top gear, according to Pat Bedard,
a former Chrysler engineer and current columnist for Car & Driver.
When the national 55 MPH speed limit was imposed in the 1970s, many
truckers claimed that fuel economy was better at higher speeds, so the
feds let some of them prove it while a government employee rode
along. Only one trucker succeeded, and he won a bet with the other
truckers because even they didn’t believe that 55 MPH used more fuel.
In article <486e04bc$0$4029$bbae4…@news.suddenlink.net>,
Moe <BubbleleL…@Fat.City> wrote:
> I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get 30
> MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
Jimmie Carter, bless his soul, set the speed limits at 55 nationwide.
It was not popular and most ignored it. It is a new day, a new era with
more enlightened voters. I hope Obama sets the speed limits at 55
again, does away with noisy motorcycles, boats, cars and taxes to the
max large SUV’s, leaf blowers, lawn mowers, snowblowers, pickup trucks,
boats with motors and all the other motorized recreational toys people
have today. Also I would hope Obama, in order to cause healthcare to be
cheaper, makes people diet in order to weigh less and therefore put less
burden on the national healthcare plan that Obama has in mind for us. I
would also hope that he makes physical activity such as walking two or
three miles a day mandatary, monitored by the federal government, which
will be created under the new mandatary healthcare plan which Barrack
will create for us, such as homeland healthcare services, for example,
this will create jobs BTW, union jobs.
I have high hopes for Obama in 08, he will lead us out of Iraq,
eventually, when the time is right. Barack said he will give us
national healthcare and raise taxes on the rich, yippy, lower taxes on
the poor, bring big oil to it’s knees, woooo-hoooo!! I hope you all
vote for Barack Obama, the next president of the U.S.
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On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:46:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru…@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:486e40b4$0$23841$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com…
>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:28:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>> "Moe" <BubbleleL…@Fat.City> wrote in message
>>> news:486e04bc$0$4029$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net…
>>>> I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get
>>>> 30 MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
>>> I’d rather see a president say "Do the math, people. For a 1/2 hour
>>> trip, do you really need to get there a minute sooner? Try keeping it
>>> under 2000 RPMs for a few weeks & see if your wallet likes the
>>> results.
>> My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
> All cars are the same, so it’s pointless to experiment. Forget I
> mentioned it.
Not really now, are they?
But my cars get better economy at 70 than at 55. Except the Scion. It
gets it’s best at 80.
On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:09:47 -0700, larry moe ‘n curly wrote:
> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
> No, they don’t. Like all cars, they’ll probably do best at the slowest
> RPM you can get by with in top gear, according to Pat Bedard, a former
> Chrysler engineer and current columnist for Car & Driver.
Pat’s a good guy, but look where he worked. Chrysler isn’t exactly known
for building the most fuel efficient cars in the world.
And he isn’t a very good driver, if you go by the one Indy 500 he was in.
That’s OK, I love him anyway.
However, back to the topic at hand: I have owned the Hachiroku for 23
years now. When I bought it the speed limit was 55 MPH. At 55 it got
about 27 MPG. At 60 it got about 28. At 65 it got 28. At 70 it got 36.
Actually the 36 was a combination of driving 15 miles in a congested
city, and 40 miles at 70 on the Interstate. So my guess is I was actually
doing better than 36 on the highway…
And I have the book in the glovebox to prove it.
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> When the national 55 MPH speed limit was imposed in the 1970s, many
> truckers claimed that fuel economy was better at higher speeds, so the
> feds let some of them prove it while a government employee rode along.
> Only one trucker succeeded, and he won a bet with the other truckers
> because even they didn’t believe that 55 MPH used more fuel.
On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:49:44 -0400, tak wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru…@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:486e4089$0$23841$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com…
>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:09:29 -0500, Moe wrote:
>>> I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get
>>> 30 MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
>> My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
> Hey, Hachi, you have Japanese cars? At what speed do they get their best
> fuel economy?????????????????
I’ll leave that for you to guess! The winner gets an American-made Subaru
Legacy Wagon. (Small handling fee required)
On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:03:53 -0400, Cathy F. wrote:
> "Moe" <BubbleleL…@Fat.City> wrote in message
> news:486e04bc$0$4029$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net…
>> I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get 30
>> MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
> Yes, & instead of a lower speed limit (55 drives me nuts on a good
> 4-lane road, esp. when going on out-of-town trips; 55 on the Thruway was
> ridculous), make the better mpg mandates for the auto manufacturers
> *stick*, instead of forever getting watered back down.
> Cathy
They’ll all be making Smart Cars.
"Hachiroku ????" <Tru…@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:49:44 -0400, tak wrote:
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru…@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:486e4089$0$23841$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com…
>>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:09:29 -0500, Moe wrote:
>>>> I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get
>>>> 30 MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
>>> My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
>> Hey, Hachi, you have Japanese cars? At what speed do they get their best
>> fuel economy?????????????????
> I’ll leave that for you to guess! The winner gets an American-made Subaru
> Legacy Wagon. (Small handling fee required)
Wow, Handle this,
you and Scott–what a combo
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On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:56:21 -0400, tak wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru…@e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:486eb7ef$0$23888$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com…
>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:49:44 -0400, tak wrote:
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru…@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>>> news:486e4089$0$23841$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com…
>>>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:09:29 -0500, Moe wrote:
>>>>> I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get
>>>>> 30 MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
>>>> My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
>>> Hey, Hachi, you have Japanese cars? At what speed do they get their best
>>> fuel economy?????????????????
>> I’ll leave that for you to guess! The winner gets an American-made Subaru
>> Legacy Wagon. (Small handling fee required)
> Wow, Handle this,
> you and Scott–what a combo
Could be.
Why would I want to see a slow down when I can prove my cars get better
mileage at faster speeds?
"Hachiroku ????" <Tru…@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:56:21 -0400, tak wrote:
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru…@e86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:486eb7ef$0$23888$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com…
>>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:49:44 -0400, tak wrote:
>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru…@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>> news:486e4089$0$23841$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com…
>>>>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:09:29 -0500, Moe wrote:
>>>>>> I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get
>>>>>> 30 MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
>>>>> My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
>>>> Hey, Hachi, you have Japanese cars? At what speed do they get their
>>>> best
>>>> fuel economy?????????????????
>>> I’ll leave that for you to guess! The winner gets an American-made
>>> Subaru
>>> Legacy Wagon. (Small handling fee required)
>> Wow, Handle this,
>> you and Scott–what a combo
> Could be.
> Why would I want to see a slow down when I can prove my cars get better
> mileage at faster speeds?
Yeah, but 80 mph? Accident & ticket & higher car insur. rates avoidance,
maybe??
Cathy
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On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:21:22 -0400, Cathy F. wrote:
>> Could be.
>> Why would I want to see a slow down when I can prove my cars get better
>> mileage at faster speeds?
> Yeah, but 80 mph? Accident & ticket & higher car insur. rates avoidance,
> maybe??
I’ve only driven the car 80 maybe 4 times, once from Hartford to
Springfield. On that trip I drove 75 MPH down and 80 MPH back, after
filling the tank, and when I filled it when I got back it came up 31 MPG.
Usual economy is 27. Mostly highway driving (70 MPH) gets me 29-30. I can
live with that.
"Hachiroku ハチロク"…
> But my cars get better economy at 70 than at 55. Except the Scion. It
> gets it’s best at 80.
OK, your cars. How about on average for all the cars on the road in the USA
today? That would be what would peg this as a good possibility for an idea
or not I am thinking. What do you think in regards to _all_ cars?
Tomes
On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:44:05 -0400, Tomes wrote:
> "Hachiroku ハチロク"…
>> But my cars get better economy at 70 than at 55. Except the Scion. It
>> gets it’s best at 80.
> OK, your cars. How about on average for all the cars on the road in the USA
> today? That would be what would peg this as a good possibility for an idea
> or not I am thinking. What do you think in regards to _all_ cars?
> Tomes
Hmmm…I see so many Japanese cars on the road now that leaving things
alone is probably the best bet.
I think the best thing is GVWR. A GVWR over 4500 LBS has a limit of 60 MPH.
Eveyone else is 70. This will probably help the people with
Escalades and Excursions get better economy. (Let’s see…Supra weighs
4428…OK!)
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Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:21:22 -0400, Cathy F. wrote:
>>> Could be.
>>> Why would I want to see a slow down when I can prove my cars get better
>>> mileage at faster speeds?
>> Yeah, but 80 mph? Accident & ticket & higher car insur. rates avoidance,
>> maybe??
> I’ve only driven the car 80 maybe 4 times, once from Hartford to
> Springfield. On that trip I drove 75 MPH down and 80 MPH back, after
> filling the tank, and when I filled it when I got back it came up 31 MPG.
> Usual economy is 27. Mostly highway driving (70 MPH) gets me 29-30. I can
> live with that.
For maximum miles per gallon a vehicle would be made to go 35 mph.
That isn’t feasible and it’s all a compromise. If a car actually gets
better mileage at 70 than 55 (which I doubt) then it could be made to
get better mileage at 55 then it would ever get at 70. Aerodynamics stuff.
Pushing harder against air. Time is money, and there were studies to
determine if the 55 mph was over all efficient. Sitting in a traffic
jam with the car idling and the AC running isn’t very efficient. A lot
of things are just to hard to measure, quality of life is one.
I know that 55 mph speed limit thing was hell on long trips.
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> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:46:29 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru…@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:486e40b4$0$23841$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com…
>>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:28:11 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>> "Moe" <BubbleleL…@Fat.City> wrote in message
>>>> news:486e04bc$0$4029$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net…
>>>>> I’d rather see some kind of if you can drive this fast and still get
>>>>> 30 MPG and traffic permitting, you can drive 65 or 70.
>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_go_co/warner_speed_limit
>>>> I’d rather see a president say "Do the math, people. For a 1/2 hour
>>>> trip, do you really need to get there a minute sooner? Try keeping it
>>>> under 2000 RPMs for a few weeks & see if your wallet likes the
>>>> results.
>>> My Japanese cars all get their best fuel economy at 70MPH.
>> All cars are the same, so it’s pointless to experiment. Forget I
>> mentioned it.
> Not really now, are they?
> But my cars get better economy at 70 than at 55. Except the Scion. It
> gets it’s best at 80.
I’m not opposed to speed, and I’m NOT in favor of a 55 mph speed limit…
however, with that said, it’s almost statistically impossible for your
statements to be accurate. And there’s NO way a Scion (or any car) produces
better gas mileage at 80 than at a lower speed. The resistance factor alone
makes that exponentially impossible.
Willy
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> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 23:44:05 -0400, "Tomes" <ask…@here.net> wrote:
>>"Hachiroku ????"…
>>> But my cars get better economy at 70 than at 55. Except the Scion. It
>>> gets it’s best at 80.
>>OK, your cars. How about on average for all the cars on the road in the
>>USA
>>today?
> Add mine to the same list as his. Look at it this way:
> When you drive 70mph, it takes you 5.4 hours to go from SF to LA.
> When you drive 55mph, it takes you 6.9 hours to go from SF to LA.
> Can you honestly say that you think you’d lose LESS gas by running
> your car’s engine for an additional ONE AND A HALF hours?
> —
> gburnore at DataBasix dot Com
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sorry guys… I’m not in favor of 55 mpg, however, you WOULD get better gas
mileage at 55, and even though the trip would take longer, you would have
used less gas.
Willy