Some high-performance cars have ceramic brakes which shortens the
stopping distance. Is it possible to get some of those brakes for an
ordinary vehicle?
–
Ron
28
Jun
Ceramic brakes
Ron Peterson wrote:
> Some high-performance cars have ceramic brakes which shortens the
> stopping distance. Is it possible to get some of those brakes for an
> ordinary vehicle?
> —
> Ron
You can get ceramic brake pads as pad replacements, but high performance
cars also have better rotors than regular cars.
Jeff
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> Some high-performance cars have ceramic brakes which shortens the
> stopping distance. Is it possible to get some of those brakes for an
> ordinary vehicle?
> —
> Ron
You would be wise to stick with Toyota OE Pads. Toyota engineers go to great
lengths to formulate pads that meet motor vehicle safety standards, stop
quietly, don’t unnecessarily wear the rotors, don’t over heat the rotors,
etc., etc. Ceramic pads have some advantages for some application, but
unless you are doing something extraordinary you would be better off with OE
pads (and hardware). I know they cost more, but over the life of the pads,
the cost per mile is trivial.
Ed
Of course. I would suggest that you need different rotors to go with those
ceramic brake pads.
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> Some high-performance cars have ceramic brakes which shortens the
> stopping distance. Is it possible to get some of those brakes for an
> ordinary vehicle?
> —
> Ron
"Ron Peterson" …
> Some high-performance cars have ceramic brakes which shortens the
> stopping distance. Is it possible to get some of those brakes for an
> ordinary vehicle?
Yes. Check it out at your auto parts store. They are the most expensive
ones.
I put ceramic pads on the front of my Jeep TJ some time ago. They made
squeeky noises after a month for about a few months and have been silent
since. Stops nicely.
When I changed pads on the Sienna I went with the bimetallic because it was
at the time that the Jeep was squeeky.
Tomes
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> Some high-performance cars have ceramic brakes which shortens the
> stopping distance. Is it possible to get some of those brakes for an
> ordinary vehicle?
> —
> Ron
Ceramic pads do not necessarily shorten stopping distances in normal driving
conditions. Ceramic is more resistant to brake fade and the resultant loss
of stopping ability at high temperatures, which is why they are on some high
performance vehicles. The disadvantage to ceramic pads is that they can be
noisy, increase stopping distances when the brakes are cold, wear rotors
more quickly, and are more costly.
—
Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
Sure, but availability differs on makes and models. People could use
slotted or cross-drilled rotors. But beware of allowed combination of
slotted/drilled with some brake pads.
Besides "performance ceramics", Carbon Metallic should handle heat
better but can turn your wheel black in something like two stops.
These things GRAB.
For normal street driving I’d recommend Akebono ProAct ceramics. Quiet
even without noise shims on with Raybestos Raymold noise dampening (~
$20) rotors.
If you buy over the dealer counter just make sure you aren’t getting
the cheap NBK pads (NBK markings), get AK markings (Akebono) if that’s
the batch they happen to get.
http://www.brembo.com/ENG
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/redstuffinfo.html
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/bluestuffinfo.html
http://www.performancefriction.com/pages/faq.htm
On Mar 10, 6:00 pm, Ron Peterson <r…@shell.core.com> wrote:
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> Some high-performance cars have ceramic brakes which shortens the
> stopping distance. Is it possible to get some of those brakes for an
> ordinary vehicle?
> —
> Ron
What brand on the Jeep? Might want to make sure the caliper pins are
clean and slide well.
The only cermaic pads for normal driving I’d use on these imports are
Akebono cermaics. On the Japanese side two other companies (NBK and
Sumitomo) got together initially with Akebono to develop ceramics
years ago (everybody’s got them now). But IMO Akebono makes the best.
NBKs glaze and fade too easily. Haven’t seen Sumitomos. European cars
often EBC not sure.
On Mar 10, 7:00 pm, "Tomes" <ask…@here.net> wrote:
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> Yes. Check it out at your auto parts store. They are the most expensive
> ones.
> I put ceramic pads on the front of my Jeep TJ some time ago. They made
> squeeky noises after a month for about a few months and have been silent
> since. Stops nicely.
> When I changed pads on the Sienna I went with the bimetallic because it was
> at the time that the Jeep was squeeky.
> Tomes
Don’t remember now. Got them at NAPA. The caliper pins were indeed sliding
nicely, thanks.
Tomes
<johngd…@hotmail.com> …
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> What brand on the Jeep? Might want to make sure the caliper pins are
> clean and slide well.
> The only cermaic pads for normal driving I’d use on these imports are
> Akebono cermaics. On the Japanese side two other companies (NBK and
> Sumitomo) got together initially with Akebono to develop ceramics
> years ago (everybody’s got them now). But IMO Akebono makes the best.
> NBKs glaze and fade too easily. Haven’t seen Sumitomos. European cars
> often EBC not sure.
> On Mar 10, 7:00 pm, "Tomes" <ask…@here.net> wrote:
>> Yes. Check it out at your auto parts store. They are the most expensive
>> ones.
>> I put ceramic pads on the front of my Jeep TJ some time ago. They made
>> squeeky noises after a month for about a few months and have been silent
>> since. Stops nicely.
>> When I changed pads on the Sienna I went with the bimetallic because it
>> was
>> at the time that the Jeep was squeeky.
>> Tomes
"Ray O" …
> "Ron Peterson" …
>> Some high-performance cars have ceramic brakes which shortens the
>> stopping distance. Is it possible to get some of those brakes for an
>> ordinary vehicle?
> Ceramic pads do not necessarily shorten stopping distances in normal
> driving conditions. Ceramic is more resistant to brake fade and the
> resultant loss of stopping ability at high temperatures, which is why they
> are on some high performance vehicles. The disadvantage to ceramic pads
> is that they can be noisy, increase stopping distances when the brakes are
> cold, wear rotors more quickly, and are more costly.
But they last a _lot_ longer, no?
Tomes
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> "Ray O" …
>> "Ron Peterson" …
>>> Some high-performance cars have ceramic brakes which shortens the
>>> stopping distance. Is it possible to get some of those brakes for an
>>> ordinary vehicle?
>> Ceramic pads do not necessarily shorten stopping distances in normal
>> driving conditions. Ceramic is more resistant to brake fade and the
>> resultant loss of stopping ability at high temperatures, which is why
>> they are on some high performance vehicles. The disadvantage to ceramic
>> pads is that they can be noisy, increase stopping distances when the
>> brakes are cold, wear rotors more quickly, and are more costly.
> But they last a _lot_ longer, no?
> Tomes
Ceramic pads can last a lot longer, but the tradeoff can be shorter rotor
life. Brake pads and rotors are wear parts, and since pads are usually less
expensive than rotors, I prefer to replace pads instead of rotors. There
are a lot of different combinations of aftermarket pads and rotors, and a
combination that works well on one vehicle may not necessarily work well on
a different model vehicle. Rather than spending money experimenting on
which combination will work best, I take the easy route and use OEM pads and
rotors because I know how long they will last, how they will perform, and
I’ve never had fit problems with OEM brake parts.
—
Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
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On Mar 10, 6:42 pm, " dbu.’" <nos…@nospam.moc> wrote:
> This is called Bush’s revenge, LOL
> This won’t fare well with the billary. She has a few bones in the
> closet also. Maybe we’re in for an October surprise, LOL.
> Everyday it keeps getting better and better.
> <http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8VAP40O0&show_article=1>
> —
> "The trouble with our liberal friends is
> not that they’re ignorant: It’s just that they know
> so much that isn’t so." – Ronald Reagan
What the hell does $4500+ buy you? This hooker must have a heavenly
vajayjay!
===============
Apparently, it buys you a whole new career wiping down cars at the end of a
car wash! If Spitzer’s lucky, he (somehow) won’t get disbarred.
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> <edspyhil…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 10, 6:42 pm, " dbu.’" <nos…@nospam.moc> wrote:
> > This is called Bush’s revenge, LOL
> > This won’t fare well with the billary. She has a few bones in the
> > closet also. Maybe we’re in for an October surprise, LOL.
> > Everyday it keeps getting better and better.
> > <http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8VAP40O0&show_article=1>
> > —
> > "The trouble with our liberal friends is
> > not that they’re ignorant: It’s just that they know
> > so much that isn’t so." – Ronald Reagan
> What the hell does $4500+ buy you? This hooker must have a heavenly
> vajayjay!
> ===============
> Apparently, it buys you a whole new career wiping down cars at the end of a
> car wash! If Spitzer’s lucky, he (somehow) won’t get disbarred.
You get disbarred for procuring the services of a call girl? Are we a
bunch of puritans? Oh right, someone will point out a statute on the
books of NY.
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> On Mar 10, 6:42 pm, " dbu.’" <nos…@nospam.moc> wrote:
> > This is called Bush’s revenge, LOL
> > This won’t fare well with the billary. She has a few bones in the
> > closet also. Maybe we’re in for an October surprise, LOL.
> > Everyday it keeps getting better and better.
> > <http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8VAP40O0&show_article=1>
> > —
> > "The trouble with our liberal friends is
> > not that they’re ignorant: It’s just that they know
> > so much that isn’t so." – Ronald Reagan
> What the hell does $4500+ buy you? This hooker must have a heavenly
> vajayjay!
> ===============
> Apparently, it buys you a whole new career wiping down cars at the end of
> a
> car wash! If Spitzer’s lucky, he (somehow) won’t get disbarred.
You get disbarred for procuring the services of a call girl? Are we a
bunch of puritans? Oh right, someone will point out a statute on the
books of NY.
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You must’ve missed this part of the story. I don’t know (and neither do you)
if anything more serious than the hookers went on here, but this is where it
began:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4424507&page=1